1 00:00:34,890 --> 00:00:05,130 [Music] 2 00:00:37,349 --> 00:00:34,900 a beautiful day in the neighborhood 3 00:00:39,420 --> 00:00:37,359 a beautiful day for a neighbor won't you 4 00:00:41,279 --> 00:00:39,430 be mine here we go our sight shatters 5 00:00:43,619 --> 00:00:41,289 drink a little drink smoking a little 6 00:00:45,660 --> 00:00:43,629 smoke from sunny San Diego i'm greg carl 7 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:45,670 wood and i am really looking forward to 8 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:47,710 delivering today's little bonus show to 9 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:49,510 you because it isn't about speculation 10 00:00:54,630 --> 00:00:52,140 and hearsay this is about a specific 11 00:00:57,029 --> 00:00:54,640 widespread network of child pedophilia 12 00:00:59,189 --> 00:00:57,039 and trafficking that was boldly swept 13 00:01:01,049 --> 00:00:59,199 under the rug and quarantined to protect 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:01,059 high-ranking politicians and government 15 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:02,530 officials that not only want to avoid 16 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:04,510 prosecutions for their previous crimes 17 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:06,760 but also just want to continue molesting 18 00:01:10,499 --> 00:01:08,680 kids and abusing their power and i'm 19 00:01:13,469 --> 00:01:10,509 sure many of them still are because 20 00:01:15,690 --> 00:01:13,479 again nobody was found guilty so why 21 00:01:17,609 --> 00:01:15,700 would they really stop there is no plush 22 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:17,619 show and originally this was going to be 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:19,840 just a bonus episode for subscribers but 24 00:01:24,630 --> 00:01:22,329 i would not feel right doing that in 25 00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:24,640 this circumstance on a subject that has 26 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:26,350 already had a hard enough time getting 27 00:01:29,999 --> 00:01:28,630 the exposure it deserves so i just 28 00:01:32,219 --> 00:01:30,009 wanted to let you know what was going on 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:32,229 with that before we dive in but here's 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:33,850 my talk with a guy who deserves a lot 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:36,250 more credit than he's getting nick brian 32 00:01:41,179 --> 00:01:39,450 on the franklin scandal sweet 33 00:01:45,690 --> 00:01:41,189 [Music] 34 00:01:50,609 --> 00:01:45,700 we're calling them out on 35 00:01:54,279 --> 00:01:50,619 uncovering secrets and conspiracies 36 00:01:58,719 --> 00:01:54,289 everybody's looking for something some 37 00:02:02,410 --> 00:01:58,729 of them want to use you some of them 38 00:02:07,570 --> 00:02:02,420 want to get used by you some of them 39 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:07,580 want to abuse you some of them want to 40 00:02:18,449 --> 00:02:16,740 all right people we hear rumors of 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:18,459 pedophile networks among the elite and 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:20,290 sometimes this darkness is briefly 43 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:22,330 exposed to light only to have powerful 44 00:02:26,309 --> 00:02:24,489 people circle the wagons and lock down 45 00:02:28,979 --> 00:02:26,319 the situation until it blows over and 46 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:28,989 slip silently back into the shadows well 47 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:30,790 today's guest has fought the noble fight 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:32,950 against these people for a long time and 49 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:35,170 as a journalist author and a hero quite 50 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:37,810 frankly he's done more than most and the 51 00:02:41,399 --> 00:02:39,489 culmination of this work comes in the 52 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:41,409 form of the thickest and most detailed 53 00:02:44,970 --> 00:02:42,640 book on my shelf 54 00:02:47,309 --> 00:02:44,980 the Franklin scandal a story about power 55 00:02:49,110 --> 00:02:47,319 brokers child abuse and betrayal 56 00:02:50,580 --> 00:02:49,120 Nick was kind enough to join me for a 57 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:50,590 little while today to talk about it and 58 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:52,239 I couldn't be more honored Nick welcome 59 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:55,060 to THC well thank you for having me Greg 60 00:02:59,490 --> 00:02:57,280 yeah man I mean the pleasure's mine 61 00:03:01,050 --> 00:02:59,500 thank you so much for not only being 62 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:01,060 here but for all your hard work and 63 00:03:05,610 --> 00:03:03,040 dedication on this topic from what I 64 00:03:08,099 --> 00:03:05,620 understand you put seven years and over 65 00:03:09,839 --> 00:03:08,109 40 thousand miles of travel into the 66 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:09,849 Franklin scandal which should be 67 00:03:13,559 --> 00:03:11,920 impressive to anybody listening so I 68 00:03:16,170 --> 00:03:13,569 just have to tell you how much I respect 69 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:16,180 and admire you for that but for people 70 00:03:19,379 --> 00:03:18,040 who might be hearing about this case for 71 00:03:21,059 --> 00:03:19,389 the first time can you give them a 72 00:03:23,370 --> 00:03:21,069 little background on the saga and why 73 00:03:25,349 --> 00:03:23,380 it's called the Franklin scandal well 74 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:25,359 the Franklin scandal is about an 75 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:26,260 interstate 76 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:29,319 pedophile network that flew children 77 00:03:33,390 --> 00:03:31,120 from coast to coast and pandered them to 78 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:33,400 the rich and powerful and it was 79 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:37,060 ultimately covered up by various facets 80 00:03:40,860 --> 00:03:38,680 of the federal government including the 81 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:40,870 Department of Justice FBI and Secret 82 00:03:48,569 --> 00:03:45,329 Service and it gets its name because a 83 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:48,579 front for the this pedophile network was 84 00:03:53,970 --> 00:03:50,650 the Franklin Federal Credit Union in 85 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:53,980 Omaha Nebraska so that's why it is 86 00:03:59,819 --> 00:03:56,650 called the Franklin scandal this credit 87 00:04:02,309 --> 00:03:59,829 union was essentially a front for this 88 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:02,319 pedophile Network so one of the major 89 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:04,449 players involved probably the apex of 90 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:07,150 the situation is the sky Larry King can 91 00:04:12,809 --> 00:04:08,310 you tell us a little bit about him 92 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:12,819 Lawrence E King was the manager of the 93 00:04:17,939 --> 00:04:16,209 Franklin credit union and also one of 94 00:04:20,699 --> 00:04:17,949 the ringleaders of this pedophile 95 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:20,709 Network he had a second there was a 96 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:23,710 second ringleader named Craig Spencer in 97 00:04:32,290 --> 00:04:26,450 Washington DC but warrant 98 00:04:34,750 --> 00:04:32,300 King wondered the Omaha area for kids he 99 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:34,760 plundered Boys Town he plundered the 100 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:37,430 foster care system and then he acquired 101 00:04:43,390 --> 00:04:39,080 kids that just kind of fell through the 102 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:43,400 cracks Runaways and cadet Hitler 103 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:45,170 generally from extremely dysfunctional 104 00:04:51,910 --> 00:04:49,370 families and he was the centerpiece for 105 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:51,920 flying the kids from coast to coast and 106 00:04:58,180 --> 00:04:54,850 also involving them in child pornography 107 00:05:01,180 --> 00:04:58,190 and other nefarious activities 108 00:05:03,340 --> 00:05:01,190 everything malevolent that you can do to 109 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:03,350 a child Lawrence King has done to a 110 00:05:09,220 --> 00:05:07,010 child yeah it is definitely a sad saga 111 00:05:11,860 --> 00:05:09,230 and shocking in so many different areas 112 00:05:13,630 --> 00:05:11,870 but how big do you assess this 113 00:05:15,820 --> 00:05:13,640 particular ring was how many children do 114 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:15,830 you think have been used by this group 115 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:19,070 it wasn't an operation for probably a 116 00:05:26,110 --> 00:05:23,510 decade dozens and dozens of children as 117 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:26,120 I said it had a pipeline of children 118 00:05:31,090 --> 00:05:28,730 from Boys Town the distinguished court 119 00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:31,100 orphanage on the outskirts of Omaha 120 00:05:39,190 --> 00:05:32,750 Nebraska but they were getting children 121 00:05:42,340 --> 00:05:39,200 from other millou's and they had quite a 122 00:05:44,650 --> 00:05:42,350 rapacious appetite for children and the 123 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:44,660 Franklin scandal really documents just 124 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:47,200 about every modality that a predator can 125 00:05:54,340 --> 00:05:51,110 prey on a child from orphanages to 126 00:05:57,430 --> 00:05:54,350 foster care of course there is a lot of 127 00:06:00,010 --> 00:05:57,440 just abusive power and people who are 128 00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:00,020 just sexually deviant but a lot of this 129 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:02,180 story also involves getting powerful 130 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:04,460 people and compromising positions so 131 00:06:07,330 --> 00:06:05,690 that they can be controlled and 132 00:06:08,860 --> 00:06:07,340 blackmailed by holding it over their 133 00:06:09,970 --> 00:06:08,870 head that they've been having sex with 134 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:09,980 children is that right 135 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:12,800 yes that's what could spread come yet he 136 00:06:17,910 --> 00:06:14,930 was Lawrence E King's partner in this 137 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:17,920 pedophilic camp and Riaan enterprise and 138 00:06:23,530 --> 00:06:20,990 he lived in Washington DC and he had a 139 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:23,540 house that was wired for audio-visual 140 00:06:28,540 --> 00:06:26,270 blackmail in Washington DC and a lot of 141 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:28,550 the pedophilic parties would go down and 142 00:06:35,650 --> 00:06:31,850 Craig's Frances upscale DC house and 143 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:35,660 people that had inclinations for any 144 00:06:41,829 --> 00:06:39,529 type of sex sexual objects Oh 145 00:06:43,449 --> 00:06:41,839 or illicit drugs would be providing with 146 00:06:47,799 --> 00:06:43,459 them and then they would subsequently be 147 00:06:50,049 --> 00:06:47,809 blackmail and there's no there was a lot 148 00:06:53,409 --> 00:06:50,059 of documentation I gathered by The 149 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:53,419 Washington Times I'm Craig expenses 150 00:06:57,099 --> 00:06:56,509 blackmail Enterprise and the Washington 151 00:06:58,929 --> 00:06:57,109 Post 152 00:07:01,059 --> 00:06:58,939 played a real interval role in covering 153 00:07:03,999 --> 00:07:01,069 this up along with various branches of 154 00:07:06,579 --> 00:07:04,009 federal law enforcement so to get into 155 00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:06,589 your book a little bit a large part of 156 00:07:11,049 --> 00:07:08,479 it is this chapter about the 157 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:11,059 investigation done by a highly skilled 158 00:07:15,729 --> 00:07:13,609 private investigator this Gary Cara Dori 159 00:07:19,539 --> 00:07:15,739 guy can you tell us about his part in 160 00:07:22,209 --> 00:07:19,549 all this yes well what happened in the 161 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:22,219 Franklin scandal is people personnel in 162 00:07:27,339 --> 00:07:24,649 social services were aware of Kings 163 00:07:31,479 --> 00:07:27,349 interstate pedophile Network and his 164 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:31,489 pattering of children and these social 165 00:07:38,049 --> 00:07:35,329 services personnel went to law 166 00:07:40,899 --> 00:07:38,059 enforcement in Nebraska both federal and 167 00:07:43,539 --> 00:07:40,909 state law enforcement and asked them to 168 00:07:46,289 --> 00:07:43,549 investigate and they were just simply 169 00:07:51,269 --> 00:07:46,299 ignored there was no investigation 170 00:07:55,209 --> 00:07:51,279 whatsoever carried out and so ultimately 171 00:07:58,269 --> 00:07:55,219 what happened was Lauren cking got 172 00:08:01,559 --> 00:07:58,279 busted embezzling 40 million dollars 173 00:08:04,329 --> 00:08:01,569 from the Franklin Credit Union and a 174 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:04,339 Nebraska Senate subcommittee was formed 175 00:08:08,919 --> 00:08:06,829 to look in the Kings embezzlement of 176 00:08:11,499 --> 00:08:08,929 this money because the Franklin curtain 177 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:11,509 had been audited in four years and they 178 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:14,089 thought and it was a it was a credit 179 00:08:18,609 --> 00:08:15,289 union that dealt with lower 180 00:08:20,919 --> 00:08:18,619 socioeconomic people so the fact that it 181 00:08:23,949 --> 00:08:20,929 was supposed to have 2.5 million minutes 182 00:08:26,499 --> 00:08:23,959 in fact that King unloaded 440 million 183 00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:26,509 and he hadn't been audited in four years 184 00:08:30,609 --> 00:08:28,519 because we ran a federally insured 185 00:08:34,689 --> 00:08:30,619 credit union which requires an audit 186 00:08:36,669 --> 00:08:34,699 yearly so the Senate subcommittee formed 187 00:08:39,549 --> 00:08:36,679 to look into the financial crisis of 188 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:39,559 Mark C King and when they formed social 189 00:08:44,919 --> 00:08:41,809 services personnel went to the Senators 190 00:08:47,710 --> 00:08:44,929 on this committee and said Kimmy's 191 00:08:50,009 --> 00:08:47,720 looting of the Franklin Credit Union is 192 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:50,019 only part of the story he's also 193 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:52,660 responsible for 194 00:08:59,249 --> 00:08:54,490 and children and trafficking children 195 00:09:01,019 --> 00:08:59,259 child pornography so the Senate 196 00:09:03,119 --> 00:09:01,029 subcommittee started to look into those 197 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:03,129 allegations and they hired a very good 198 00:09:11,059 --> 00:09:06,000 private investigator Gary territory and 199 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:11,069 he started finding new victims and 200 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:14,110 recording their testimony on videotape 201 00:09:20,819 --> 00:09:17,860 and he started actually really trying to 202 00:09:23,269 --> 00:09:20,829 break it open and if the dominoes would 203 00:09:25,290 --> 00:09:23,279 have started falling in Omaha Nebraska 204 00:09:28,350 --> 00:09:25,300 they would have fought all the way to 205 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:28,360 Washington DC it was I had to be covered 206 00:09:33,150 --> 00:09:30,550 up at all costs in my book 207 00:09:35,809 --> 00:09:33,160 nearly category when he started video 208 00:09:40,949 --> 00:09:35,819 recording kids that would come forward 209 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:40,959 the media would just demolish the kids 210 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:43,920 credibility it was very it was very uh 211 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:48,730 it was it was very very obvious that the 212 00:09:55,069 --> 00:09:50,620 media had a vested interest in covering 213 00:09:58,379 --> 00:09:55,079 this up so ultimately what happened was 214 00:10:00,540 --> 00:09:58,389 there was a photographer who worked for 215 00:10:02,850 --> 00:10:00,550 Kings who good job pornography and I 216 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:02,860 think also took blackmail pictures he 217 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:05,649 had a falling-out with King and he meant 218 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:07,810 Gary territory in Chicago and gave him 219 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:09,550 pictures that would have busted this 220 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:12,790 thing wide open and and it would have 221 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:14,769 really jeopardized I think the bush want 222 00:10:20,460 --> 00:10:18,100 administration and and territory was 223 00:10:22,290 --> 00:10:20,470 flying back from Chicago in Nebraska 224 00:10:25,350 --> 00:10:22,300 with these pictures and his plane 225 00:10:26,550 --> 00:10:25,360 mysteriously broke up in midair and the 226 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:26,560 pictures were never recovered 227 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:28,810 and then a state and a federal grand 228 00:10:34,079 --> 00:10:30,730 jury declared that there was no child 229 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:34,089 abuse within well the state grand jury 230 00:10:39,660 --> 00:10:35,980 declared that there was no child abuse 231 00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:39,670 at all within two weeks of Derek Derek 232 00:10:44,699 --> 00:10:42,880 Turner's plane crash so ultimately Jerry 233 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:44,709 Territory was like the first piece of 234 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:46,809 covering this up being doing with a very 235 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:50,410 territory yeah yeah definitely and then 236 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:52,629 this guy William Colby investigated his 237 00:10:56,129 --> 00:10:55,120 death and was pretty sure there was foul 238 00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:56,139 play involved 239 00:11:00,210 --> 00:10:58,000 in Cara Dory's death but would only say 240 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:00,220 so off the record which is unfortunate 241 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:02,050 but tell us a little bit about Colby he 242 00:11:09,389 --> 00:11:04,510 was a CIA director too wasn't he 243 00:11:12,569 --> 00:11:09,399 up until 1976 when he was deposed and 244 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:12,579 Gerald Ford installed George Herbert 245 00:11:20,009 --> 00:11:16,750 Walker Bush now the Franklin committee 246 00:11:25,139 --> 00:11:20,019 hired William Colby to investigate Gary 247 00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:25,149 territories death and this was in 1990 248 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:30,399 and Colby died some years after that but 249 00:11:35,189 --> 00:11:33,100 Toby didn't publicly sleep that gary 250 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:35,199 territory had been murdered but he 251 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:36,790 privately told people that were 252 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:38,440 affiliated with the investigation that 253 00:11:42,439 --> 00:11:41,680 Gary cared or had been murdered but six 254 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:42,449 years later 255 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:44,440 Colby died under very mysterious 256 00:11:49,439 --> 00:11:46,720 circumstances but that was six years 257 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:49,449 following the Franklin cover-up 258 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:52,540 right probably not directly related but 259 00:11:56,610 --> 00:11:54,160 I'm sure there are a thousand reasons to 260 00:11:59,160 --> 00:11:56,620 knock off an ex-cia director apparently 261 00:12:01,860 --> 00:11:59,170 he took his kayak out with half his 262 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:01,870 dinner still on the table and was never 263 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:03,130 found again so yeah definitely 264 00:12:08,850 --> 00:12:06,430 suspicious but getting back to this case 265 00:12:10,650 --> 00:12:08,860 in your book I mean you know you're 266 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:10,660 researching something that at least one 267 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:13,510 other person died investigating this had 268 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:15,130 to be a little bit scary and you didn't 269 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:17,110 count her quite a bit of trouble along 270 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:22,000 the way wouldn't you say well yeah I had 271 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:24,970 a death threat when I first went to 272 00:12:31,019 --> 00:12:27,910 Nebraska and I had a long I've had a lot 273 00:12:33,809 --> 00:12:31,029 of he put on me I too went for pictures 274 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:33,819 like Gary territory with rusty Nelson 275 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:36,130 rusty Nelson isn't the most ethical of 276 00:12:38,689 --> 00:12:37,510 individuals and he kind of took me out a 277 00:12:42,620 --> 00:12:38,699 wild goose chase 278 00:12:44,819 --> 00:12:42,630 but when I was driving rusty Nelson home 279 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:44,829 after this wild goose chase we were 280 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:47,740 pulled over and I was merely deposited 281 00:12:53,579 --> 00:12:50,649 in a police car and my car was that just 282 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:53,589 completely ripped apart my rental car so 283 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:56,290 yeah there were a number of and then 284 00:13:03,360 --> 00:12:58,810 there's been certainly there's been film 285 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:03,370 harassment - so yes I was subjected to - 286 00:13:07,949 --> 00:13:05,110 a lot of heat as I investigate the 287 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:07,959 triangle tree oh yeah harassment 288 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:10,930 intimidation so sad to see someone doing 289 00:13:15,780 --> 00:13:13,810 such a noble thing and facing such 290 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:15,790 negative consequences and it's a very 291 00:13:18,390 --> 00:13:17,680 heroic testament you were even so bold 292 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:18,400 as to 293 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:20,110 break the law with some of the documents 294 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:22,810 you included in the book didn't you yes 295 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:25,210 one of the grand juries was really 296 00:13:28,860 --> 00:13:27,340 really corrupt for action there were two 297 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:28,870 grand juries that were really really 298 00:13:31,740 --> 00:13:30,460 corrupt in Omaha 299 00:13:33,510 --> 00:13:31,750 none of those a grand jury that was 300 00:13:39,930 --> 00:13:33,520 really really corrupt in Washington DC 301 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:39,940 and I managed to get the field grand 302 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:42,040 jury testimony of one the very core of 303 00:13:46,890 --> 00:13:45,100 grand juries in Nebraska that declared 304 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:46,900 that all that child abuse allegations 305 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:49,120 were carefully crafted hoax and I 306 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:53,110 published grand jury transcripts in the 307 00:13:57,450 --> 00:13:54,850 Franklin scandal which way which is 308 00:13:59,130 --> 00:13:57,460 illegal for me to do I mean you're not 309 00:14:02,310 --> 00:13:59,140 allowed to publish grand jury 310 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:02,320 transcripts and I could have been 311 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:03,940 arrested any day since that book has 312 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:06,850 been published yeah that's a bold move 313 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:09,040 but I agree with your assessment that 314 00:14:12,750 --> 00:14:11,470 this case they obviously want to bury 315 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:12,760 this case they don't want to draw 316 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:15,340 attention to anyone who's researching it 317 00:14:20,010 --> 00:14:17,890 and so I think you made a calculated 318 00:14:21,450 --> 00:14:20,020 decision that ended up benefiting you in 319 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:21,460 your favor because you faced no 320 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:22,960 repercussions because they just can't 321 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:27,130 risk the attention to the case yes 322 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:29,770 that's the thing if they arrested me 323 00:14:33,510 --> 00:14:31,930 then they would bring a lot of attention 324 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:33,520 to this case it's law enforcement 325 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:35,800 arrested me they'd bring a lot of 326 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:38,710 attention in this case so until it 327 00:14:43,890 --> 00:14:41,260 starts to receive more attention I think 328 00:14:46,830 --> 00:14:43,900 I'll be unscathed for publishing co 329 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:46,840 grand jury transcripts yeah and I do 330 00:14:50,610 --> 00:14:48,490 want to get into the some of the details 331 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:50,620 of the case itself some of the things 332 00:14:54,810 --> 00:14:52,930 that these kids said had happened to him 333 00:14:57,210 --> 00:14:54,820 you know this one kid Bonner said that a 334 00:15:01,140 --> 00:14:57,220 guy had put cigarettes out on him during 335 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:01,150 sex another girl chanita Moore who was 336 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:03,280 picked up from the Omaha Girls Club at 337 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:04,930 nine years old and used in satanic 338 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:07,030 parties you also wrote about some of 339 00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:08,710 these kids being sent around on 340 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:11,140 commercial flights to smuggle drugs for 341 00:15:15,270 --> 00:15:13,000 some of these guys definitely pretty 342 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:15,280 dark stuff they use these kids for all 343 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:17,020 kinds of stuff and a lot of these 344 00:15:21,210 --> 00:15:18,910 pedophiles these were powerful 345 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:21,220 pedophiles that the kids were manageable 346 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:23,650 a lot of the pedophiles were and they 347 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:25,690 did unbelievably sadistic thanks to 348 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:27,610 these kids I mean unbelievable statistic 349 00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,180 things and the kids that I've talked to 350 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:34,000 all of them had very sadistic things 351 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:37,570 under them so it's really it's it's very 352 00:15:43,530 --> 00:15:41,110 tragic that these kids have to live not 353 00:15:46,410 --> 00:15:43,540 only with physical scars but with these 354 00:15:49,830 --> 00:15:46,420 deep emotional scars of being molested 355 00:15:51,510 --> 00:15:49,840 with impunity and and they were all be 356 00:15:53,810 --> 00:15:51,520 all these kids were as I said earlier 357 00:15:55,980 --> 00:15:53,820 state and federal law enforcement 358 00:15:58,500 --> 00:15:55,990 concluded that not a single child had 359 00:16:01,140 --> 00:15:58,510 been abused so all these kids were 360 00:16:03,270 --> 00:16:01,150 essentially monsters with impunity yeah 361 00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:03,280 and another thing that surprised me was 362 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:04,750 the fact that you were able to actually 363 00:16:09,810 --> 00:16:06,970 get an interview with this one guy who 364 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:09,820 ran an escort service for Craig Spence 365 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:11,530 he really wanted to stick to providing 366 00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:13,870 over 18 escorts but it seems like they 367 00:16:18,990 --> 00:16:16,150 came on pretty hard to get him to 368 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:19,000 provide children didn't they that 369 00:16:22,140 --> 00:16:21,010 gentleman is name is Henry Vincent he 370 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:22,150 Knight authored a book called 371 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:24,760 confessions of a DC man the politics of 372 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:26,470 sexualize in black now let's come up 373 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:31,360 this month and he ran an escort service 374 00:16:36,450 --> 00:16:34,090 in Washington DC for expense would 375 00:16:39,420 --> 00:16:36,460 provide it but he only his escorts were 376 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:39,430 all adults he didn't provide children 377 00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:42,730 right and Craig spent spent up to 20 378 00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:45,280 thousand dollars a month on escorts at 379 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:48,700 his escort service and these parties 380 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:51,130 that were in Washington DC if you wanted 381 00:16:55,620 --> 00:16:53,620 young men in their early 20s or gunmen 382 00:16:56,940 --> 00:16:55,630 and their early twenties are children I 383 00:17:00,480 --> 00:16:56,950 mean whatever you wanted you'd be 384 00:17:02,430 --> 00:17:00,490 provided with so that's how Henry 385 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:02,440 Vincent got hooked up with Craig Spencer 386 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:05,410 because quite sure he became chef Craig 387 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:07,930 Spencer's go-to guy for male escorts and 388 00:17:12,780 --> 00:17:10,870 yes they put a lot of pressure on him to 389 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:12,790 ride them mature but he refused to do 390 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:16,750 that and and he in the heat you had to 391 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:18,490 pay a price for that but how these 392 00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:21,670 parties would generally work is Craig 393 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:24,460 Spence would have a who's who of the 394 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:27,430 Washington elite there and they would 395 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:29,380 there would be a cocktail party be a 396 00:17:35,250 --> 00:17:32,800 Washington DC cocktail party and people 397 00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,260 begin lubricated on alcohol and then had 398 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:37,120 a certain hour maybe ten o'clock or 399 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:39,670 11:00 after people have been suitably 400 00:17:44,910 --> 00:17:43,030 lubricated on alcohol something 401 00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:44,920 specially inappropriate would happen 402 00:17:50,060 --> 00:17:46,960 summer break out some cocaine and maybe 403 00:17:52,530 --> 00:17:50,070 fire up a joint and people that were 404 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:52,540 adverse to that would leave but then 405 00:17:58,530 --> 00:17:55,050 people that wanted to partake of um 406 00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,540 whatever Spence had would stay and then 407 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:00,160 they would also be compromised because 408 00:18:04,140 --> 00:18:02,050 of the house was wired for re we should 409 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:04,150 black Reynolds I mentioned you know a 410 00:18:07,890 --> 00:18:06,010 lot of the stuff in a lot of ways 411 00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:07,900 doesn't surprise me but the devil is 412 00:18:11,310 --> 00:18:09,550 really in the details and I was shocked 413 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:11,320 more than once in this saga just how 414 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:13,450 bold the actions of the people can be 415 00:18:17,970 --> 00:18:15,730 and how the entire legal system seems to 416 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:17,980 tip in their favor to a dumbfounding 417 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:19,630 degree whenever the pressure is on them 418 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:21,850 and there are many aspects of the trial 419 00:18:26,460 --> 00:18:24,010 that highlight this unfairness can you 420 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:26,470 tell us about some of that well there 421 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:30,190 were two kids that the FBI came in and 422 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:33,310 got really heavy with the kids and the 423 00:18:40,530 --> 00:18:36,730 kids recanted they're abused but two 424 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:40,540 kids refused to and one was Alicia on 425 00:18:47,070 --> 00:18:43,930 the Louis Paul Benassi and Alicia was 426 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:47,080 indicted on eight counts of perjury by a 427 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:49,690 state grand jury and Paul was indicted 428 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:51,490 on three counts of perjury by state 429 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:52,000 grand jury 430 00:18:58,110 --> 00:18:54,130 now each one of these perjury count said 431 00:19:00,570 --> 00:18:58,120 20 years so Alicia was looking at a 432 00:19:03,390 --> 00:19:00,580 hundred and sixty years and Paul was 433 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:03,400 looking at sixty years and Alicia was 434 00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,700 also ultimately also indicted I may 435 00:19:10,530 --> 00:19:08,080 count diverges from the federal grand 436 00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:10,540 Ursula's issue and there's a kid that's 437 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:14,440 21 years old and who was you know pretty 438 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:18,130 brutally molested in her adolescence so 439 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:22,330 she was ultimately facing 16 counts of 440 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:25,030 perjury and looking at well over or 441 00:19:32,790 --> 00:19:29,170 nearly 300 years in prison so and 442 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:32,800 ultimately it came down to the state 443 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:35,170 going after Alicia in a trial because 444 00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:37,780 these corrupt grand juries had declared 445 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:40,750 that there was no child abuse and 446 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:43,150 indicted the victims who would the 447 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:46,810 cancer abuse on perjury so for these 448 00:19:52,770 --> 00:19:50,260 grand juries to be validated they had to 449 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:52,780 get convictions and the lesha's trial is 450 00:19:57,769 --> 00:19:56,200 the biggest chapter of my book because I 451 00:20:01,609 --> 00:19:57,779 really show 452 00:20:03,349 --> 00:20:01,619 ow the state law enforcement had federal 453 00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:03,359 enforcement just pulled out all the 454 00:20:11,749 --> 00:20:07,080 stops to corrupt her guru and corrupt 455 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:11,759 her court case and and there was all 456 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:13,590 kinds of malfeasance with the judge with 457 00:20:18,889 --> 00:20:17,309 the prosecutor with the jury and after 458 00:20:21,729 --> 00:20:18,899 three years of deliberation she was 459 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:21,739 ultimately sentenced convicted on 460 00:20:26,239 --> 00:20:24,570 personally and sentenced to an 461 00:20:29,269 --> 00:20:26,249 unbelievable nine to 15 years in prison 462 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:29,279 for perjury a kid and she also spent 463 00:20:33,469 --> 00:20:31,289 leave you in solitary confinement which 464 00:20:35,509 --> 00:20:33,479 is kind of mind-boggling to do that to a 465 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:35,519 kid right that was the kind of the 466 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,769 saddest element of the whole case for me 467 00:20:43,009 --> 00:20:40,080 in the most shocking Alecia Owen two 468 00:20:45,019 --> 00:20:43,019 years in solitary confinement and you 469 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:45,029 know even more in prison it's just like 470 00:20:49,339 --> 00:20:47,820 that that's what you get for being raped 471 00:20:51,649 --> 00:20:49,349 I mean how do you not feel like the 472 00:20:53,899 --> 00:20:51,659 entire world is against you you're swept 473 00:20:55,849 --> 00:20:53,909 up in this pedophile ring as a child 474 00:20:58,129 --> 00:20:55,859 every adult you're involved with is 475 00:20:59,959 --> 00:20:58,139 abusing you in the worst ways then you 476 00:21:02,509 --> 00:20:59,969 finally try to get some honest people 477 00:21:05,089 --> 00:21:02,519 and speak out about it and this is how 478 00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,099 you're rewarded I mean this has got to 479 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:07,919 be from her perspective the entire world 480 00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:09,690 is against her that is just one of the 481 00:21:15,349 --> 00:21:12,710 saddest elements of the whole thing 482 00:21:17,539 --> 00:21:15,359 Joanna story is very tragic but it's 483 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:17,549 kind of interesting both the kids that 484 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:20,039 refused to repent or abuse Paul Bonacci 485 00:21:25,159 --> 00:21:23,369 and only showing they've actually forged 486 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:25,169 the lines for themselves 487 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:28,710 I mean Alicia gave their time and she's 488 00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:30,570 happily married she's got a good job a 489 00:21:38,539 --> 00:21:33,059 good career she's got the love of a 490 00:21:43,729 --> 00:21:38,549 family and and Paul has got a wonderful 491 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:43,739 wife and three kids and he's got his own 492 00:21:49,129 --> 00:21:46,169 business and so there's some port 493 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:49,139 justice there that these kids have 494 00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:53,650 refused for a cancer abuse ultimately 495 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,660 were able to forge good lives for 496 00:22:00,210 --> 00:21:57,520 themselves so it's kind of remarkable 497 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,220 actually it is and there's a little bit 498 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:03,280 of an irony in the fact that the - who 499 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:05,350 wouldn't recant their testimony seemed 500 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:08,410 to have the most productive lives and 501 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:10,630 then but several of the other kids this 502 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:12,250 really sent them into a downward spiral 503 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:16,750 of drugs and worse right now all the 504 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:19,140 kids that was like one of the carrots 505 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:23,050 that were if the kids perform adequately 506 00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:26,200 would be given money and drugs so 507 00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:30,820 ultimately it's really a perfect system 508 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:35,200 because these kids are molested at a 509 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:37,210 very young age and turn on the drugs at 510 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:40,450 a very young age and then of a certain 511 00:22:44,790 --> 00:22:42,370 point of use they move their lethal 512 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:44,800 bucket ability and then they're just 513 00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:47,350 expunged and then so you ultimately have 514 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:50,200 kids that were molecular at a very young 515 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:52,570 age and have very low self-esteem - no 516 00:22:56,820 --> 00:22:54,700 self esteem and they're also drug 517 00:23:00,780 --> 00:22:56,830 addicts and they're go on to commit 518 00:23:02,430 --> 00:23:00,790 crimes and thereby completely compromise 519 00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:02,440 their own credibility so if they come 520 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:03,220 forward 521 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:05,350 law enforcement can say well we can't 522 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:09,100 believe this person because he did X Y & 523 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:12,700 Z and so it's really a perfect system to 524 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:15,910 get these kids young molest them and 525 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:18,190 turn them onto drugs and then let them 526 00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,930 compromise their own credibility once 527 00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:22,320 they want their youthful marketability 528 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:24,670 credibility wise it's a first round TKO 529 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:27,610 I mean no one no one's gonna believe the 530 00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:29,830 kid that's fallen into various criminal 531 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:32,680 enterprises in drug addiction and I've 532 00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:34,990 also heard you say that a grand jury is 533 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:37,870 the perfect type of trial - to use if 534 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:40,210 you want to have a corrupt case and you 535 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:41,650 know you want to protect some people why 536 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:42,850 is that I think people might be 537 00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:47,350 surprised to hear that well people have 538 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:50,380 a misconception about grand juries they 539 00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:52,750 think that grand juries I mean grand 540 00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,710 jury grand jury sounds like like the 541 00:24:01,740 --> 00:23:59,200 gods forum on Olympus had spoken and sat 542 00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:01,750 down and decree every the grand juries 543 00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:04,390 are rather infamous because they can be 544 00:24:09,299 --> 00:24:06,760 easily corrupted actually you 545 00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:09,309 a chief New York state appellate judge 546 00:24:13,770 --> 00:24:12,220 once said special prosecutors have so 547 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:13,780 much power over grand jurors that they 548 00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:15,250 could get a grand jury to indict a ham 549 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:18,220 sandwich and what he meant by that is 550 00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,870 someone has appointed a special 551 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:21,520 prosecutor of a grand jury 552 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:24,610 now grand jurors are just regular 553 00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,730 citizens they've shown up for jury duty 554 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:29,440 that had been funneled into a grand jury 555 00:24:34,650 --> 00:24:32,770 so there's there's nothing special about 556 00:24:37,230 --> 00:24:34,660 them they're just regular citizens that 557 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:37,240 are shown up for jury duty and it's up 558 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:41,110 to a special prosecutor of a grand jury 559 00:24:48,299 --> 00:24:44,049 to present evidence and witnesses that 560 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:48,309 he deems relevant to the grand jurors so 561 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:50,770 only witnesses and evidence that he 562 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:53,290 deems relevant is shown to the grand 563 00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:54,730 jurors and that's how they make their 564 00:25:01,850 --> 00:24:56,590 decision of whether to indict or not to 565 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:01,860 indict so in the case of phrenic one the 566 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:04,510 special prosecutor of the sneaker injury 567 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:08,650 samuel van pelt called people that made 568 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:11,410 the children look like they were lying 569 00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:14,049 and they'd the perpetrators look like 570 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:17,230 they were telling the truth and that's 571 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:20,470 why no perpetrators were indicted and 572 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:23,140 the kids that refused to the kids or 573 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:24,490 abuse were indicted for perjury is 574 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:26,770 because he because of the witnesses that 575 00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:29,130 he called and the book I show how he 576 00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,169 definitely manipulates evidence that he 577 00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,440 definitely manipulated evidence and 578 00:25:38,909 --> 00:25:37,360 there was all types about all kinds of 579 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:38,919 malfeasance involved in that grand jury 580 00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:41,710 yeah one detail the grand jury wasn't 581 00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:44,230 even shown the full video testimonies of 582 00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:46,169 the kids they had been edited down right 583 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:50,110 yes Gary Carrie dory the prosecutor that 584 00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:53,850 was hired by the Nebraska Senate he 585 00:25:58,860 --> 00:25:56,500 recorded the kids of victims that he 586 00:26:00,600 --> 00:25:58,870 found on videotape and the video 587 00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:00,610 testimony that was shown to the grand 588 00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:02,980 jurors had been edited out so the kids 589 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:04,600 didn't corroborate corroborate each 590 00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:08,910 other the kids with Gary Kerry's 591 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:11,590 original tapes repeatedly corroborated 592 00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:14,110 each other but when they were showing 593 00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:15,460 the grand jurors all that had been 594 00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:18,700 edited out and there's also a disturbing 595 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:20,470 elements in this store 596 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:23,050 a lot of people who helped in covering 597 00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:26,170 up this situation and making sure the 598 00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,670 trial went the way they wanted it to go 599 00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:29,440 a lot of these people ended up getting 600 00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:32,590 promotions later on isn't that true yes 601 00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:35,560 that's what's really that's another 602 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:38,110 disturbing element of this case lords 603 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:40,180 King was deposited in a mental 604 00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,770 institution they had to get him out of 605 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:44,080 town for these two grand juries so he 606 00:26:49,050 --> 00:26:47,170 wouldn't be called so he was deposited 607 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,060 in mental institution now the US 608 00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:51,520 Magistrate that did that and also did 609 00:26:56,910 --> 00:26:53,920 some other things that helped cover up 610 00:27:00,930 --> 00:26:56,920 Franklin he became a US district court 611 00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:00,940 judge hmm the assistant US attorney for 612 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:04,660 Nebraska that was the special prosecutor 613 00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:07,990 of the federal grand jury that found 614 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:11,020 that there was no child abuse he is now 615 00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:14,770 a US Magistrate Wow the prosecutor that 616 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:18,340 oversaw Leisha and getting found guilty 617 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:21,250 of perjury and that was a very very 618 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:24,010 corrupt trial he became my Douglas 619 00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:26,230 County omaha's and Douglas County a 620 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,500 Douglas County district court judge and 621 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:31,360 the prosecutor that ensured that Alicia 622 00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:33,190 and stayed in prison 623 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:36,280 he's now an assistant US attorney and on 624 00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:40,270 the DC side of it the US attorney that 625 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:43,720 helped cover the DC side of this because 626 00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:46,780 it had a big DC side to it he was an 627 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:49,300 associate attorney general and now he's 628 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,280 a vice president at the r89 corporation 629 00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:52,720 which is one of the largest defense 630 00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:55,540 contractors in the world and Henry 631 00:28:03,150 --> 00:27:57,460 Vinson was represented by Greta Van 632 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:03,160 Susteren and she really didn't do an 633 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:06,220 adequate job according to Henry Vincent 634 00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,960 representing him because everything was 635 00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:09,520 the government wanted to accomplish they 636 00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:11,140 accomplished his silence and his 637 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:15,280 imprisonment and after that she became 638 00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:17,110 kind of quite a television celebrity and 639 00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:19,390 now she's got her own new show on Fox 640 00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:22,390 television yeah and you had mentioned 641 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:24,430 the media's role in this a little bit 642 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:27,160 but no not only at the time was the 643 00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:30,430 media kind of not covering the story but 644 00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:31,900 it's also a little curious that your 645 00:28:34,259 --> 00:28:33,820 book has never been picked up by someone 646 00:28:36,209 --> 00:28:34,269 like 647 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:36,219 Oprah or Nancy Grace who are supposed to 648 00:28:42,299 --> 00:28:38,950 be champions of this type of thing well 649 00:28:46,139 --> 00:28:42,309 Oprah three mulberry producers have my 650 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:46,149 book and one of Nancy Grace's producers 651 00:28:51,989 --> 00:28:48,609 has my book that they've bought touch it 652 00:28:55,829 --> 00:28:51,999 and Nancy Grace pretends to be like an 653 00:28:58,499 --> 00:28:55,839 advocate of abused girls but they she 654 00:29:00,989 --> 00:28:58,509 hasn't touched Jeffrey Epstein who was 655 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:00,999 the power broker that was flying young 656 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:03,580 girls around that's recently hit the 657 00:29:08,099 --> 00:29:05,769 news and I wrote an article about it in 658 00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:08,109 blocker your listeners can build a 659 00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:11,320 McBryan Google McBrine and locker I 660 00:29:18,029 --> 00:29:14,409 wrote a couple of articles on Epstein so 661 00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:18,039 Nancy Grace and Oprah are they're 662 00:29:22,769 --> 00:29:20,019 hypocrites of the worst order where they 663 00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:22,779 put a lot of lip service into preventing 664 00:29:28,259 --> 00:29:24,639 child abuse but when they're confronted 665 00:29:30,659 --> 00:29:28,269 with really whole-scale widespread child 666 00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:30,669 abuse they they tend to cower like most 667 00:29:36,869 --> 00:29:34,149 people it's definitely sad and you've 668 00:29:39,479 --> 00:29:36,879 actually covered and investigated 669 00:29:40,769 --> 00:29:39,489 several other pedophile rings since not 670 00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:40,779 only this one in the one you just 671 00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:43,059 mentioned but a couple others too well 672 00:29:48,419 --> 00:29:46,089 I've been working on Jeffrey Epstein and 673 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,429 that pedophile Network and the Jeffrey 674 00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:50,799 Epstein case is similar to Franklin in 675 00:29:58,319 --> 00:29:54,669 that Jeb's being molested God knows how 676 00:30:00,719 --> 00:29:58,329 many children and he also paired the 677 00:30:04,889 --> 00:30:00,729 matter to his rich and powerful cronies 678 00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:04,899 and ultimately really nothing happened 679 00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,039 he spent 13 months in a County Jail and 680 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:11,440 he only had to spend nights there and 681 00:30:17,489 --> 00:30:13,809 and that was a corrupt grand jury table 682 00:30:19,229 --> 00:30:17,499 that found that he hadn't molested a 683 00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:19,239 single child when the Palm Beach Police 684 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:21,940 Department had put together had five 685 00:30:27,779 --> 00:30:25,929 victims of his and they had the sworn 686 00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:27,789 testimony and a number of people that 687 00:30:33,419 --> 00:30:30,820 corroborate those victims so so it seems 688 00:30:36,659 --> 00:30:33,429 like like Franklin and then you've got 689 00:30:40,259 --> 00:30:36,669 the giving Seville the case that's going 690 00:30:41,999 --> 00:30:40,269 on and UK right now we're where 691 00:30:43,619 --> 00:30:42,009 pedophilia has gone all the way up to 692 00:30:46,109 --> 00:30:43,629 the top of the food chain 693 00:30:47,999 --> 00:30:46,119 politically in the UK and there's with 694 00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,009 the neutral scandal in Belgium 695 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,720 Portugal's had one as well as had one I 696 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,360 suppose have one there's your number of 697 00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:56,240 these type of scandals where the rich in 698 00:31:01,659 --> 00:30:59,000 the powerful in abused children and that 699 00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:01,669 done so look impunity right and I 700 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:04,100 believe it was a whole separate case 701 00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:05,870 that even got you to start entertaining 702 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:08,509 how dark these things can can get I 703 00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:10,370 believe it was a there was a group 704 00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:12,350 called the finders which was a satanic 705 00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:14,929 cult that slipped up and got their whole 706 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:17,990 ring kind of under the spotlight for a 707 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:21,049 while you know the finders is what got 708 00:31:28,269 --> 00:31:24,049 me into all this I came across the fires 709 00:31:31,659 --> 00:31:28,279 I was working on article four on the 710 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:31,669 occult for a magazine and I came across 711 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:34,820 a find the finders us customers report 712 00:31:42,879 --> 00:31:38,830 what happened there was there were two 713 00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:42,889 members of the finders which is a very 714 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:45,740 strange cult and they were in a town 715 00:31:52,629 --> 00:31:49,700 house in park with six children and the 716 00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,639 children looked very severely abused and 717 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:54,559 a concerned citizen called the 718 00:32:00,580 --> 00:31:57,049 Tallahassee Police Department on the 719 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:00,590 finders and the Tallahassee Police 720 00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:02,690 Department took one look at the 721 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:06,230 situation and they arrested the two 722 00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:08,500 fighters then put the six kids in 723 00:32:17,379 --> 00:32:13,460 protective custody and a doctor said 724 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:17,389 that one of the kids the kids were like 725 00:32:22,029 --> 00:32:20,230 three to six years old I believe and a 726 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:22,039 doctor said that one of the kids 727 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:24,049 definitely showed signs of sexual abuse 728 00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:26,840 if they found child pornography in the 729 00:32:31,779 --> 00:32:29,470 man that the fires were driving and 730 00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:31,789 ultimately what happened was the finders 731 00:32:38,139 --> 00:32:33,769 had a couple of our houses in Washington 732 00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:38,149 DC and the DC's might have own Police 733 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:42,080 Department and the US Customs decended 734 00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,460 we got a search warrant and descended 735 00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,200 upon these four houses where they found 736 00:32:52,629 --> 00:32:48,080 just unbelievable types of incriminating 737 00:32:54,879 --> 00:32:52,639 evidence I start the book out with the 738 00:32:56,649 --> 00:32:54,889 finders and and actually I include the 739 00:32:58,899 --> 00:32:56,659 entire US Customs report at the back of 740 00:33:01,160 --> 00:32:58,909 the book just to show people that it 741 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:01,170 actually this but the finder 742 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,110 were actually there was documentation of 743 00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:07,080 the fires actually buying chiller and as 744 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:11,580 I look into this realm the sale of 745 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:14,340 children is actually unfortunately a 746 00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:18,420 reality and but ultimately what happened 747 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:21,590 so you had a multi-level jurisdiction 748 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:25,130 investigation into the finders you had 749 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:27,930 the US Customs involved police 750 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,650 Tallahassee Police and the FBI was 751 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:33,840 somewhere in the mix and ultimately the 752 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:36,450 CIA quash the whole investigation into 753 00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:38,970 the fighters and the two fighters who 754 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:42,270 had been charged with multiple counts of 755 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:44,310 child abuse by Florida authorities will 756 00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:46,260 let out of jail and then the kids 757 00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:48,420 unbelievably will that were Patriots and 758 00:33:52,450 --> 00:33:49,100 fighters 759 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:52,460 so that's what got me into this whole 760 00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:55,920 world I just when I read that finders 761 00:34:01,810 --> 00:33:59,490 document I thought that there must be 762 00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:01,820 something in the world that I'm 763 00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:04,620 completely wishing on if something like 764 00:34:09,350 --> 00:34:05,520 this is happening 765 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:09,360 and that that document essentially shows 766 00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:12,780 my dark icy into into the world of 767 00:34:18,830 --> 00:34:15,830 organized child trafficking yeah and to 768 00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:18,840 quote from your book there the the 769 00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:20,940 documents there pertains to blood 770 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,159 rituals and orgies regarding children 771 00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:25,440 and the purchase of a kid in Hong Kong 772 00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:28,080 through a contact at the Embassy and 773 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:30,870 that again is just kind of ridiculous 774 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:32,850 that you could go through such a 775 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:35,130 high-end official channel to get 776 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:36,570 children I mean and these are just the 777 00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:38,250 small amount of details that we have 778 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:42,120 it's got to be pretty ridiculous the 779 00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:45,090 things we don't know well I think it's 780 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:48,990 beyond ridiculous it's a nefarious but 781 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:51,210 yes I mean that document is very 782 00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:54,210 incriminating and what got me was you 783 00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:56,580 obviously had a group that was at some 784 00:35:03,220 --> 00:35:00,780 very strange strange rituals and 785 00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:03,230 practices that were obviously doing 786 00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:05,480 malevolent things to children and 787 00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:08,580 ultimately the CIA quashes an 788 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:10,500 investigation now the CIA does not have 789 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:13,050 any domestic jurisdiction so they 790 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:14,310 shouldn't have been able to acquire that 791 00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:14,930 and that's 792 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:19,160 to begin with and that really that dodge 793 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:20,750 now is kind of like a Big Bang to me 794 00:35:27,339 --> 00:35:24,800 it's just locally to how horrific and 795 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:27,349 nefarious large-scale child trafficking 796 00:35:34,299 --> 00:35:29,990 can be and and who's protecting it and 797 00:35:36,190 --> 00:35:34,309 how its objective and to say one thing 798 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:36,200 that's slightly positive is there have 799 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:38,630 been a couple of cases where in certain 800 00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,930 states certain pockets of the FBI did do 801 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:44,240 the right thing certain pockets of law 802 00:35:49,329 --> 00:35:46,790 enforcement actually did carry out full 803 00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:49,339 honest investigations and trials unto 804 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:51,740 some of these networks right well I 805 00:36:00,670 --> 00:35:56,710 think in the emptying case the FBI in 806 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:00,680 Florida refused to recover to cover that 807 00:36:02,799 --> 00:36:00,890 up 808 00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:02,809 and that Department of Justice covered 809 00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:06,440 it up so that was that was a good thing 810 00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:11,480 that the Florida Miami FBI refused to 811 00:36:17,470 --> 00:36:13,700 take part in the Jeffrey Epstein camera 812 00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:17,480 and the onus of that cover-up ultimately 813 00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:19,160 fell on the Department of Justice which 814 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:21,020 it certainly had enough power to cover 815 00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,250 it up but yeah in that situation you see 816 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:27,680 the FBI doing the right thing yeah and 817 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:30,410 that definitely seems to be the minority 818 00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:32,089 of cases where they do the right thing 819 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:34,040 but like you did say the Department of 820 00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:37,130 Justice really always seems to be the 821 00:36:40,780 --> 00:36:39,020 one to quash this stuff right would you 822 00:36:43,329 --> 00:36:40,790 say they're the organization most guilty 823 00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:43,339 of suppressing this kind of thing well 824 00:36:49,569 --> 00:36:46,510 the Department of Justice ultimately 825 00:36:52,930 --> 00:36:49,579 tells other law enforcement branches 826 00:36:55,210 --> 00:36:52,940 what could you in most cases and they're 827 00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:55,220 ultimately the one that can form the 828 00:37:02,049 --> 00:36:58,880 grand juries that can exonerate the 829 00:37:04,059 --> 00:37:02,059 guilty the corrupt grand juries so in a 830 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:04,069 lot of cases in the end in the Franklin 831 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:06,530 case certainly the Department of Justice 832 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:08,930 was certainly the bellwether in the 833 00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:11,450 cover-up the bellwether in Nebraska and 834 00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:14,660 also in Washington DC the dirty work was 835 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:17,480 done by the FBI in Nebraska and in 836 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:19,970 Washington DC the dirty work was done by 837 00:37:26,859 --> 00:37:23,170 the Shubert service in the Finers case 838 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:26,869 that was quashed before the CI was able 839 00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:28,810 to quash it even before it 840 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:31,320 went to the Department of Justice so 841 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:34,090 good warmer justice was kind of mixed 842 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:36,430 there and in the Epstein case which I've 843 00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:38,050 investigated over the years it was the 844 00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:39,460 Department of Justice that actually 845 00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,080 covered it up immaculate 846 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:44,880 so yes the Department of Justice is 847 00:37:50,780 --> 00:37:48,310 responsible for a lot of this pedophile 848 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:50,790 Network cover-ups that I investigated 849 00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:53,110 yeah I guess you could say they work 850 00:37:58,050 --> 00:37:56,020 similarly to an editor or a producer in 851 00:38:00,000 --> 00:37:58,060 media because the way these things are 852 00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:00,010 is you don't have to have every single 853 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:02,340 reporter corrupt and in the know and 854 00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:04,630 hiding this information you just need to 855 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:06,790 get the editor of the paper or the 856 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:09,490 producer of the media channel because 857 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:11,170 they are the gatekeepers to what can get 858 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:12,970 on the air in the same way there's a 859 00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:14,290 parallel I guess to the way the 860 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:16,710 Department of Justice sets the tone for 861 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:18,940 investigations and as long as you have 862 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:21,690 them you know they're gonna be able to 863 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:23,650 get the attention off some of these 864 00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:25,210 cases and put people on to other things 865 00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,600 if that's their desire absolutely it's 866 00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:30,160 important that people have criminal 867 00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:33,460 positions and in the Franklin case some 868 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:37,300 of the people that took part in this on 869 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:39,940 the law enforcement side were pedophiles 870 00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:42,610 Compromise pedophiles themselves and I 871 00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:44,260 think in other cases they were just 872 00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:45,400 people that just wanted to climb the 873 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:47,950 ladder so I think you you you end up 874 00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,110 with two types of people people are 875 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:52,480 Gotham by themselves and then people are 876 00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:54,130 just wanted to hit won't want to get 877 00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:56,440 ahead yeah turn a blind eye and know 878 00:39:00,270 --> 00:38:59,050 that it'll benefit them regardless now 879 00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:00,280 we're getting close to the end here I 880 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:01,960 know you got to get out of here and we 881 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:04,570 you mentioned the UK pedophile scandal 882 00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:06,220 which of course is big now we all know 883 00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:08,110 also about the Penn State Jerry Sandusky 884 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:11,020 situation but gee and it's been a while 885 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:13,690 since you wrote this book and have been 886 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:15,430 looking into these things but do you 887 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:17,410 have any indication of how vast or 888 00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,210 integrated these rings are in the 889 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:21,040 present day I can only assume that a 890 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:22,810 situation like this gets worse and worse 891 00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,490 over time as it becomes more apparent 892 00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:26,320 that it's very tough to ever get caught 893 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:29,260 doing this well I would say wherever 894 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:33,160 there is it it's just simple economics 895 00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:34,750 wherever there's a demand there's a 896 00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:39,520 supply the thing is a pedophilia exists 897 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:41,720 in all social strata 898 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:43,690 I mean there are people that are 899 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:48,170 extremely poor impoverished that are 900 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:51,050 molesting children and then with the 901 00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:54,290 Franklin scale and Epstein and other 902 00:40:00,460 --> 00:39:56,750 scandals with Jimmy Savile you've got 903 00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:00,470 the rich molesting a big difference 904 00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:03,710 there is that the rich seem good North's 905 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:05,000 children with impunity 906 00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:09,770 whereas or or the impoverished they're 907 00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,230 not just they get the book thrown at 908 00:40:17,830 --> 00:40:15,200 them and spend decades in prison right 909 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:17,840 right I know you had mentioned in the 910 00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:19,730 beginning that the first Bush 911 00:40:22,839 --> 00:40:21,260 administration would have been in a lot 912 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:22,849 of trouble had this stuff come to light 913 00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,970 I know that there have been senators 914 00:40:30,609 --> 00:40:28,400 that were named in your book that were 915 00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:30,619 involved in using these services and of 916 00:40:36,849 --> 00:40:33,380 course one of the victims believe it's 917 00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:36,859 the same Elisha Owen was impregnated by 918 00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:39,980 a police chief can you tell us any in 919 00:40:44,770 --> 00:40:41,840 closing a little bit about the people 920 00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,780 who were using these services I mean we 921 00:40:48,250 --> 00:40:46,400 got senators police chiefs and 922 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:48,260 apparently a lot of people in the first 923 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:51,430 Bush administration yeah I think that 924 00:40:56,349 --> 00:40:54,950 some of the abusers of these kids as I 925 00:40:59,700 --> 00:40:56,359 said earlier when all the way up the 926 00:41:03,250 --> 00:40:59,710 food chain the political food chain and 927 00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:03,260 it's the names that have come up are 928 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:05,720 quite mind-boggling and my investigation 929 00:41:12,849 --> 00:41:09,410 as far as the exalted status of some of 930 00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:12,859 these perpetrators but getting back to 931 00:41:19,570 --> 00:41:16,160 our conversation earlier these kids the 932 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:19,580 credibility is so decimated because of 933 00:41:24,849 --> 00:41:21,970 the choices that they've made because of 934 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:24,859 being molested repeatedly at a young age 935 00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:26,950 and then and then the drug addiction 936 00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:30,740 that it's almost impossible the names 937 00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:32,630 because some of these guys are just so 938 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:35,560 exalted the only way that you can really 939 00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:38,510 discern how powerful these people are is 940 00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:40,790 to look at all the power that was used 941 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:45,260 to cover up this pedophile Network three 942 00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:47,930 corrupt grand juries the Washington Post 943 00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:51,830 The New York Times CBS the Omaha 944 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:53,390 world-herald 945 00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:56,810 there were a number of media entities 946 00:42:01,870 --> 00:41:58,850 too that were used to cover this up so 947 00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:01,880 we're talking about in addition to the 948 00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:03,590 media entities behind by the Department 949 00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:05,300 of Justice the FBI have a Secret Service 950 00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:08,780 the Omaha Police Department that was 951 00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:12,860 County judiciary Washington DC judiciary 952 00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:16,790 and so it gets to be kind of when you 953 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:18,350 when you look at all the power that was 954 00:42:24,070 --> 00:42:20,810 deployed to just vaporize this to make 955 00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:24,080 sure that it didn't get traction I mean 956 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:26,270 that's how you can tell that the strings 957 00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:27,530 are being pulled at the pinnacle of 958 00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:30,830 power and one other thing I wanted to 959 00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:33,230 bring up before we got out of here was I 960 00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:36,440 know in this realm a lot of people who 961 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:39,590 talk about these things also are very 962 00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:41,090 quick to bring up trauma-based mind 963 00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:43,070 control and that doesn't come up a lot 964 00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:45,950 in your book until the epilogue I 965 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:48,080 believe what would you say about that 966 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:50,330 element of these kind of cases is it as 967 00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:52,130 prevalent as people say is it more of a 968 00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:55,910 background role if your readers well or 969 00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,610 your listeners want to learn about that 970 00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:00,800 I would have them google the extreme 971 00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:03,950 abuse survey and that was a survey that 972 00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:07,310 was conducted about six years ago seven 973 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:10,780 years ago and it looked at people with 974 00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:13,610 background and mindfulness actually it's 975 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:15,380 a very large study that were over a 976 00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:18,530 thousand participant and if your 977 00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:21,160 listeners really want to glean some 978 00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:26,240 pretty pragmatic corroborated evidence 979 00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:28,700 of mind control that's being used I 980 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:30,200 think that that's a good place to start 981 00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:33,290 this be extremely brief survey okay well 982 00:43:38,020 --> 00:43:35,120 thanks for that um that does about do it 983 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:38,030 for us on behalf of humanity I cannot 984 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:39,710 thank you enough for your dedication 985 00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,690 that you've had on this case and this 986 00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:43,760 topic at the risk of your own safety 987 00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:46,070 it's more noble than the work of almost 988 00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:48,350 anyone I know it's truly an honor to 989 00:43:51,850 --> 00:43:49,820 have you here and to be able to just do 990 00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:51,860 a small part and helping get these types 991 00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:54,200 of things exposed in a real way can you 992 00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:55,670 tell the listeners where they could go 993 00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,910 to get your book uh you can go to my 994 00:44:04,610 --> 00:44:01,760 website franklin scale comma rama wanna 995 00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:04,620 Barnsdall boulders 996 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:06,390 multiple modalities for even purchase 997 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:08,610 the book perfect and you also mentioned 998 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:11,970 a more recent one about the DC madam yes 999 00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:15,330 I am resistant I collaborated on a book 1000 00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:16,950 it's called confessions of a DC matter 1001 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:18,840 the politics of sex lies in blackmail 1002 00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:20,670 and it's about the blackmail operation 1003 00:44:25,850 --> 00:44:23,400 run by Craig Spence it's my Harry's life 1004 00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:25,860 story but it focuses quite heavily on 1005 00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,660 the blackmail operation run by Trey 1006 00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:30,240 expense of Washington DC perfect and 1007 00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,820 that's a really compelling part of the 1008 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:34,920 story so probably gonna dig into that 1009 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:37,110 one soon myself but this has been 1010 00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:38,970 awesome thanks again Nick we need more 1011 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:40,680 people like you take care of yourself 1012 00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:44,090 out there okay thanks right you got it 1013 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:45,840 there we have it guys 1014 00:44:50,570 --> 00:44:48,690 a super interesting and sad saga and 1015 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,580 you're Exhibit A in the case that none 1016 00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:52,200 of these official organizations or 1017 00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,790 authorities can be trusted and you 1018 00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:56,160 cannot respect the law when it does not 1019 00:45:00,590 --> 00:44:58,260 hold everyone accountable we have some 1020 00:45:02,570 --> 00:45:00,600 seriously systemic problems and if we 1021 00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:02,580 don't examine situations like this one 1022 00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:04,710 even though it's an older case you and I 1023 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:06,750 can't drive that point home to regular 1024 00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:09,450 people so I hope this episode gives you 1025 00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:11,100 a little ammunition for that and if you 1026 00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,750 enjoyed it I would really urge you to 1027 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:14,520 shoot nikka thank you share this episode 1028 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:16,170 with some people that you think might be 1029 00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:17,730 interested and if you really want to go 1030 00:45:22,070 --> 00:45:20,040 the extra mile buy one of Nick's books I 1031 00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:22,080 would say the Franklin scandal if not 1032 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:24,360 just out of respect for his boldness in 1033 00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:26,130 publishing the sealed grand jury 1034 00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:27,990 testimony I mean that's baller in itself 1035 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:29,550 and a good reason to put it on your 1036 00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:31,650 bookshelf or of course is more recent 1037 00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:33,420 book confessions of a DC madam if you 1038 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:34,920 want to hear more about the black male 1039 00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:38,490 angle I can plug THC plus next time but 1040 00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,980 really if you got the extra cash it's 1041 00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:42,900 Nick who would deserve some support I 1042 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:45,380 know anybody dealing with medical issues 1043 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:48,330 could probably use some spare change and 1044 00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:50,850 the work he's doing has been so Noble 1045 00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:52,440 that there should be some positive 1046 00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:55,740 karmic effect form I would hope either 1047 00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,110 way that is it for me today people not 1048 00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:00,180 exactly sure what's next but I got a lot 1049 00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,710 more coming at you before the end of 1050 00:46:04,580 --> 00:46:03,660 this month so thanks for listening I've 1051 00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,590 done my part 1052 00:46:09,689 --> 00:46:06,180 your move child traffickers are the 1053 00:46:17,330 --> 00:46:09,699 nefarious elite you're break-in 1054 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:22,220 uncovering secrets and conspiracies 1055 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:24,970 everybody's loved your song 1056 00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:29,890 some of them want to use you some of 1057 00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:34,000 them want to get used by you some of 1058 00:46:45,850 --> 00:46:38,320 them want to abuse you some of them want 1059 00:47:12,530 --> 00:46:48,760 [Music] 1060 00:47:20,290 --> 00:47:12,540 [Applause]